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Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao. This is a long-form conversation style podcast about all-things Daoism. Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path - however, you choose to your walk it. Michael Smith has been a formal student and practitioner of Daoism for 35 years. Dr. Smith has practiced and taught Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 25 years. Michael is passionate about sharing skills like Daoist meditation and Qi Gong with people suffering from chronic illness, trauma, and addiction. Alex Krueger is a student, practitioner and teacher of qi gong and internal martial arts. He is also passionate about moving beyond limitations and living life to the fullest. Presently, Alex is dedicated to deepening his understanding of Daoism, meditation and personal growth. We look forward to your comments and questions. Please rate and review!
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Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Obstacles to Inner Cultivation - one - Audience Consciousness - Part One - video
Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Thursday Sep 11, 2025

Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Obstacles to Inner Cultivation - one - Audience Consciousness - Part One - audio
Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Thursday Sep 11, 2025

Sunday Jul 20, 2025
Self-Cultivation and Self-Transcendence
Sunday Jul 20, 2025
Sunday Jul 20, 2025
It seems like a good idea to begin this conversation by asking, did human beings ever have inner peace?
Every spiritual tradition and culture that I've ever had a chance to encounter deeply, all have an origin story. If it’s the garden of Eden - or at the beach near the ocean during the last ice age, or coming from some primordial world beneath this world.
https://somadaoqigong.com/nei-gong-year-one-opening-your-meridians-and-dan-tian/
What is it that is lost with this descriptive imagination of our loss of innocence?
A recurring context in many ancient and mostly indigenous traditions, is a distinction between cultivating resources or power or medicine for your people, including yourself, your family, your extended family, and those who are in need,
And/or cultivating resources power or medicine in a way that is over or against others.
Imagine a life of collaboration, reciprocity, service, belonging, recognition, respect and opportunities to both learn and eventually lead.
There is an innocence there because all that is asked is to show up, be present. Be generous, be generative. Be relational.
Or, to simply commit your existence, and everything you are for your people.
Accepting others in every way you would wish to be accepted as yourself.

Thursday Jul 03, 2025
Thursday Jul 03, 2025
The Shaolin Muscle Tendon change, or Yi Jin Jing 易筋經 is one of the most well known and sought after systems of Qi Gong in the world.
If you have not heard of the Muscle Tendon Change, and its sister practice Bone Marrow Washing, they are elements of one of the most profound and effective approaches to embodied awareness, physical fitness, Spiritual cultivation, and meditation traditions on Earth. They are famous for improving health, vitality, Martial Arts capacity, enhancing Qi sensitivity and awareness, boosting Neuroplasticity, and increasing both longevity and quality of life in your elder years.
For Qi Gong practitioners and teachers, this system is one of the last remaining intact traditions that still combines early Indigenous Daoist Animistic practices and the Shaolin Monastery’s development and precision over the last 1500 years.
#shaolinkungfu, #shaolin #qigong #longevity
https://somadaoqigong.com/shaolin-strength-and-longevity-qi-gong-yi-jin-jing/

Thursday Jul 03, 2025
Thursday Jul 03, 2025
The Shaolin Muscle Tendon change, or Yi Jin Jing 易筋經 is one of the most well known and sought after systems of Qi Gong in the world.
If you have not heard of the Muscle Tendon Change, and its sister practice Bone Marrow Washing, they are elements of one of the most profound and effective approaches to embodied awareness, physical fitness, Spiritual cultivation, and meditation traditions on Earth. They are famous for improving health, vitality, Martial Arts capacity, enhancing Qi sensitivity and awareness, boosting Neuroplasticity, and increasing both longevity and quality of life in your elder years.
For Qi Gong practitioners and teachers, this system is one of the last remaining intact traditions that still combines early Indigenous Daoist Animistic practices and the Shaolin Monastery’s development and precision over the last 1500 years.
#shaolinkungfu, #shaolin #qigong #longevity
https://somadaoqigong.com/shaolin-strength-and-longevity-qi-gong-yi-jin-jing/

Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Ep - 19 - Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One

Thursday Feb 06, 2025
EP - 19 - Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two

Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Ep - 18: Exploring Pain and Vulnerability with Qing Zhi Bing
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
This one gets personal!!!
Today Ravi shares some of his personal experiences and challenges as a human being, while Michael frames the conversation in the context of TCM Psychology (Qing Zhi Bing).
If you are interested in this training (anyone can learn this), here is the link to the course outline:
Embodied Psychotherapy, Spiritual Recapitulation, and Traditional Chinese Medicine

Thursday Oct 17, 2024
Thursday Oct 17, 2024
In this episode, Ravi and Michael talk about Qing Zhi Bing, or the Psychology and Psychiatry of TCM.
Here is the link:

Friday May 31, 2024
Ep - 16 - Medical Qi Gong - Enhancing Your Innate Healing Abilities (video)
Friday May 31, 2024
Friday May 31, 2024
In this episode, Ravi and Michael talk about Medical Qi Gong, Consciousness, and different approaches to Hands-on-Healing.
This course is for those with a few years of Qi gong experience.
Here is the course link:
https://somadaoqigong.com/enhancing-your-qi-gong-healing-abilities/
Here is a link for the 2 year 500 hour full program
https://somadaoqigong.com/500-hour-medical-qi-gong-therapist/
Healing is Innate – A First Healer Story
The State Between Appreciation and Recognition (the origin of language)
Qi Interaction Skills – Ting Jin, Yi Nian, De Qi, Fa Qi, and Nei Yang Gong Practice
Bu Que – Restoring Wounds (Yours then theirs)
Exercise – restoring clothing
An Empowered Qi Ball – Open and Close Lao Gong and Wai Gong
The 5 Phases (Elements) and Yin/Yang Balance
Restoring Qi and Jing Jin (collagen)
Exercise Two – restoring clothing
A Fractal Manifold Cosmology and Ontology
Ling, Hun, Shen – coherence and configuration (What is moving through?)
Science Story – building muscle and imagination/intention
Yi Zhi – and the trickery of moving qi
Modern Dopamine/cortisol and serotonin/acetylcholine imbalance
There are Two Kinds of Healers (Hand Tremblers and Singers)
The Hun of the First Healer
The Four Recapitulation Doorways
Exercise Three – (Ting, Dong – Li, Xing, Tong, Fa)
Embodiment, Distress, and Affective Disorientation (Qing Zhi Bing)
Stories and states.
Grounded in the Soil (As a Healer)
Qing Jing is a necessary state for Healing
