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Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao. This is a long-form conversation style podcast about all-things Daoism. Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path - however, you choose to your walk it. Michael Smith has been a formal student and practitioner of Daoism for 35 years. Dr. Smith has practiced and taught Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 25 years. Michael is passionate about sharing skills like Daoist meditation and Qi Gong with people suffering from chronic illness, trauma, and addiction. Alex Krueger is a student, practitioner and teacher of qi gong and internal martial arts. He is also passionate about moving beyond limitations and living life to the fullest. Presently, Alex is dedicated to deepening his understanding of Daoism, meditation and personal growth. We look forward to your comments and questions. Please rate and review!
Episodes

Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Ep - 19 - Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One

Thursday Feb 06, 2025
EP - 19 - Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part One
Bi Gu - Metabolic and Spiritual Fasting - Part Two

Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Ep - 18: Exploring Pain and Vulnerability with Qing Zhi Bing
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
This one gets personal!!!
Today Ravi shares some of his personal experiences and challenges as a human being, while Michael frames the conversation in the context of TCM Psychology (Qing Zhi Bing).
If you are interested in this training (anyone can learn this), here is the link to the course outline:
Embodied Psychotherapy, Spiritual Recapitulation, and Traditional Chinese Medicine

Thursday Oct 17, 2024
Thursday Oct 17, 2024
In this episode, Ravi and Michael talk about Qing Zhi Bing, or the Psychology and Psychiatry of TCM.
Here is the link:

Friday May 31, 2024
Ep - 16 - Medical Qi Gong - Enhancing Your Innate Healing Abilities (video)
Friday May 31, 2024
Friday May 31, 2024
In this episode, Ravi and Michael talk about Medical Qi Gong, Consciousness, and different approaches to Hands-on-Healing.
This course is for those with a few years of Qi gong experience.
Here is the course link:
https://somadaoqigong.com/enhancing-your-qi-gong-healing-abilities/
Here is a link for the 2 year 500 hour full program
https://somadaoqigong.com/500-hour-medical-qi-gong-therapist/
Healing is Innate – A First Healer Story
The State Between Appreciation and Recognition (the origin of language)
Qi Interaction Skills – Ting Jin, Yi Nian, De Qi, Fa Qi, and Nei Yang Gong Practice
Bu Que – Restoring Wounds (Yours then theirs)
Exercise – restoring clothing
An Empowered Qi Ball – Open and Close Lao Gong and Wai Gong
The 5 Phases (Elements) and Yin/Yang Balance
Restoring Qi and Jing Jin (collagen)
Exercise Two – restoring clothing
A Fractal Manifold Cosmology and Ontology
Ling, Hun, Shen – coherence and configuration (What is moving through?)
Science Story – building muscle and imagination/intention
Yi Zhi – and the trickery of moving qi
Modern Dopamine/cortisol and serotonin/acetylcholine imbalance
There are Two Kinds of Healers (Hand Tremblers and Singers)
The Hun of the First Healer
The Four Recapitulation Doorways
Exercise Three – (Ting, Dong – Li, Xing, Tong, Fa)
Embodiment, Distress, and Affective Disorientation (Qing Zhi Bing)
Stories and states.
Grounded in the Soil (As a Healer)
Qing Jing is a necessary state for Healing

Friday May 31, 2024
Ep - 16 - Medical Qi Gong - Enhancing Your Innate Healing Abilities (audio)
Friday May 31, 2024
Friday May 31, 2024
In this episode, Ravi and Michael talk about Medical Qi Gong, Consciousness, and different approaches to Hands-on-Healing.
This Course is for those with a few years of Qi gong experience.
Here is the course link:
https://somadaoqigong.com/enhancing-your-qi-gong-healing-abilities/
Here is a link for the 2 year 500 hour full program
https://somadaoqigong.com/500-hour-medical-qi-gong-therapist/
Healing is Innate – A First Healer Story
The State Between Appreciation and Recognition (the origin of language)
Qi Interaction Skills – Ting Jin, Yi Nian, De Qi, Fa Qi, and Nei Yang Gong Practice
Bu Que – Restoring Wounds (Yours then theirs)
Exercise – restoring clothing
An Empowered Qi Ball – Open and Close Lao Gong and Wai Gong
The 5 Phases (Elements) and Yin/Yang Balance
Restoring Qi and Jing Jin (collagen)
Exercise Two – restoring clothing
A Fractal Manifold Cosmology and Ontology
Ling, Hun, Shen – coherence and configuration (What is moving through?)
Science Story – building muscle and imagination/intention
Yi Zhi – and the trickery of moving qi
Modern Dopamine/cortisol and serotonin/acetylcholine imbalance
There are Two Kinds of Healers (Hand Tremblers and Singers)
The Hun of the First Healer
The Four Recapitulation Doorways
Exercise Three – (Ting, Dong – Li, Xing, Tong, Fa)
Embodiment, Distress, and Affective Disorientation (Qing Zhi Bing)
Stories and states.
Grounded in the Soil (As a Healer)
Qing Jing is a necessary state for Healing

Friday May 31, 2024
Ep - 15 - Who Needs Therapeutic Qi Gong?
Friday May 31, 2024
Friday May 31, 2024
This week, Ravi and Michael talk about applying Qi Gong (Dao Yin) principles and practices therapeutically.
There is a 10 Month course called Therapeutic Qi Gong beginning June 4th - at 6:00 pm - PST
There is a free LIVE webinar, on Saturday, June 1st at 9:00 am. A recording will be linked here soon.
Here is the course link:
https://somadaoqigong.com/therapeutic-qi-gong-a-ten-month-journey/

Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
Ep - 14 - What is the Muscle Tendon Change (Yi Jin Jing)? - Part Two
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
In today's episode, Michael and Ravi have an in-depth conversation about the Qi Gong practice called the Yi Jin Jing.
Here is the link to the course - beginning April 17, 2024
TAP HERE to Learn more about the Qi Gong Teacher Training Course

Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
Ep - 14 - What is the Muscle Tendon Change (Yi Jin Jing)? - Part One
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
In today's episode, Michael and Ravi have an in-depth conversation about the Qi Gong practice called the Yi Jin Jing.
Here is the link to the course - beginning April 17, 2024
TAP HERE to Learn more about the Qi Gong Teacher Training Course
TAP HERE to see Michaels's Patreon Page

Monday Mar 04, 2024
Ep - 13 - The Unexpected Intimacy of Inner Cultivation - Part Two
Monday Mar 04, 2024
Monday Mar 04, 2024
In this 'lucky number' episode, Ravi and Michael have a personal conversation about The Unexpected Intimacy of Inner Cultivation.