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Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao. This is a long-form conversation style podcast about all-things Daoism. Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path - however, you choose to your walk it. Michael Smith has been a formal student and practitioner of Daoism for 35 years. Dr. Smith has practiced and taught Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 25 years. Michael is passionate about sharing skills like Daoist meditation and Qi Gong with people suffering from chronic illness, trauma, and addiction. Alex Krueger is a student, practitioner and teacher of qi gong and internal martial arts. He is also passionate about moving beyond limitations and living life to the fullest. Presently, Alex is dedicated to deepening his understanding of Daoism, meditation and personal growth. We look forward to your comments and questions. Please rate and review!
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Saturday Jan 23, 2021
EP - Two - Embodied Spiritual Warriorship - Part One - Audio
Saturday Jan 23, 2021
Saturday Jan 23, 2021
Two: Embodied Spiritual Warriorship - Part One
Welcome to the Second Episode!
In this episode, Michael and Alex will review the history of Daoism and how that can change how a person may perceive Daoist Practice and Philosophy.
The teaching 'Xing Ming Shuang Xiu (The partnership and journey of one's inner nature and experience of life) will be explored in another context.
Michael will share a personal story about an experience that completely changed his Daoist practice and journey.
Enjoy!
In PART TWO, they discuss embodied Spiritual Warriorship as a philosophy and as a daily practice.
Important Links
Part Two:
https://primordialdaopresentdao.podbean.com/e/ep-two-embodied-spiritual-warriorship-part-two-
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE

Saturday Jan 23, 2021
EP - Two - Embodied Spiritual Warriorship - Part Two - Video
Saturday Jan 23, 2021
Saturday Jan 23, 2021
Two: Embodied Spiritual Warriorship - Part Two
In Part Two, Michael shares his first experience with a Daoist teacher. The lesson was on Embodied Spiritual Warriorship.
To clarify the process of becoming an Authentic Human Being (Zhen Ren), Master Pedro Chang used four Chinese characters and some of their subtle meanings.
The Practice of Embodied Spiritual Warriorship
Simply put, to move through life seeking skillfulness, truth, transformation, and adaptability.
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Shi Warrior, Master, Skilled at something. |
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Zhi Willingness, Willpower, Orientation, or Disorientation. |
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Zhen True, Authentic, Real (Reality), "Cooking your Ego until beauty comes out...". |
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Zheng Upright, Correct, Outer Resolve, Inner Resolve. |
Other Links
Episode Two - Part One:
Embodied-spiritual-warriorship-part-one-
Episode One - Part One - Video
- video/https://primordialdaopresentdao.podbean.com/e/ep-one-coming-into-being-part-one-video/
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE
Soma Dao Qi Gong Website - TAP HERE

Monday Jan 11, 2021
EP - One - Coming Into Being - Part Two - Video
Monday Jan 11, 2021
Monday Jan 11, 2021
One: Coming Into Being - Part Two
Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao
A long-form conversation-style podcast about all-things Daoism.
Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance, and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path.
However you choose to walk it.
Episode One - Part Two
The Practice of Xing Ming Shuang Xiu
Simply put, to study the Nature of Existence and Nature of Self equally and together
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One's Nature, Character, (Heart-centred Life) |
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Ming Life, Existence, Destiny, or Fate |
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Shuang Learn or share equally between two participants or practices. |
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Xiu Study, Learn, or swim across a river with sacred teachings. |
Other Links
Part One:
https://primordialdaopresentdao.podbean.com/e/ep-one-coming-into-being-part-one-video/
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE
Soma Dao Qi Gong Website - TAP HERE

Monday Jan 11, 2021
EP - One - Coming Into Being - Part One - Video
Monday Jan 11, 2021
Monday Jan 11, 2021
One: Coming Into Being - Part One
Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao
A long-form conversation-style podcast about all-things Daoism.
Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance, and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path.
However you choose to walk it.
Part One
The origins and history of Daoism
Welcome to the show!
In the first episode, Michael and Alex will introduce each other and then discuss the history and origins of Daoism.
What is Daoism?
When and how did it start?
What do Daoists practice?
And then in part two, the fundamental teaching of Xing Ming Shuang Xiu (The partnership and journey one's inner nature experience of life) will be explored - including a description of the meanings of the Chinese characters.
Enjoy!
Other Links
Part Two:
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE
Soma Dao Qi Gong Website - TAP HERE
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Michael Smith has been a formal student and practitioner of Daoism for 35 years. Dr. Smith has practiced and taught Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 25 years. Michael is passionate about sharing skills like Daoist meditation and Qi Gong with people suffering from chronic illness, trauma, and addiction. | ||
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Alex Krueger is a student, practitioner and teacher of qi gong and internal martial arts. He is also passionate about moving beyond limitations and living life to the fullest. Presently, Alex is dedicated to deepening his understanding of Daoism, meditation, and personal growth. |

Thursday Dec 31, 2020
Coming into Being - Episode One - Part Two (audio)
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
One: Coming Into Being - Part Two
Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao
A long-form conversation-style podcast about all-things Daoism.
Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path.
However you choose to walk it.
Episode One - Part Two
The Practice of Xing Ming Shuang Xiu
Simply put, to study the Nature of Existence and Nature of Self equally and together
![]() |
One's Nature, Character, (Heart-centred Life) |
![]() |
Ming Life, Existence, Destiny, or Fate |
![]() |
Shuang Learn or share equally between two participants or practices. |
![]() |
Xiu Study, Learn, or swim across a river with sacred teachings. |
Other Links
Part One:
https://primordialdaopresentdao.podbean.com/e/coming-into-being-episode-one-part-one-audio/
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE
Soma Dao Qi Gong Website - TAP HERE

Thursday Dec 31, 2020
Coming into Being - Episode One - Part One (audio)
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
One: Coming Into Being - Part One
Welcome to Primordial Dao Present Dao
A long-form conversation-style podcast about all-things Daoism.
Our conversations and interviews will discuss ancient and modern Daoist wisdom teachings, universal understandings, seasonal longevity and healing traditions, spiritual practices, relationship guidance, and profound insights on walking an authentic and meaningful path.
However you choose to walk it.
Part One - The origins and history of Daoism
Welcome to the show!
In the first episode, Michael and Alex will introduce each other and then discuss the history and origins of Daoism.
What is Daoism?
When and how did it start?
What do Daoists practice?
And then in part two, the fundamental teaching of Xing Ming Shuang Xiu (The partnership and journey one's inner nature experience of life) will be explored - including a description of the meanings of the Chinese characters.
Enjoy!
Other Links
Part Two:
https://primordialdaopresentdao.podbean.com/e/coming-into-being-episode-one-part-two-audio/
Primordial Dao on Facebook - TAP HERE
Soma Dao Qi Gong Website - TAP HERE
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Michael Smith has been a formal student and practitioner of Daoism for 35 years. Dr. Smith has practiced and taught Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 25 years. Michael is passionate about sharing skills like Daoist meditation and Qi Gong with people suffering from chronic illness, trauma, and addiction. | ||
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Alex Krueger is a student, practitioner and teacher of qi gong and internal martial arts. He is also passionate about moving beyond limitations and living life to the fullest. Presently, Alex is dedicated to deepening his understanding of Daoism, meditation and personal growth. |